Raven-Symone’s Look – Wow or Eww?
February 10, 2009 in Body Type and Clothes, Raven-Symone, Wow or Eww? by Versus
Hmm… I’ll let you all comment on the rest of the outfit (body type-wise, style-wise, as you please), but I’ll just say that I don’t think that this type of skirt is what Raven’s fuller figure needs.
Well, on a second thought, she’s confident and that’s always applaudable!
Raven-Symone’s Look – Wow or Eww?
uh, what happened to the adorable little kid she used to be? the skirt is obviously too puffy, although it has the right length
EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
There must be a flattering outfit for her out there somewhere….
Excuse me, who is she?
FAT! One thing is to have curves, but she is obese now. This is not a healthy rolemodel for young girls.
I disageee with you Mari I’m sorry. She’s not obese, maybe overweight but certainatly NOT obese. I say she is a role model for younger girls becuase she shows them to be confident in yourself and to love your body instead of having low self-esteem because you’re not hollywood small. I think Raven’s shape isn’t meant to be small. Either way she’s beautiful and talented.
As for her outfit, I think it’s appropriate. I’ve seen people her size if not bigger wear worse, so overall, I think she looks cute.
I meant disagree. sorry, that was mispelled.
Sorry love, I’m about her height and look way thinner than her, i’m still categorized as “obese”. And no, I don’t have alot of muscle that makes me weigh more. As much as I am all for thick girls being proud of themselves and being confident, Raven is obese, or on the very high end of OVERWEIGHT, which still is VERY UNHEALTHY.
Trust me, most people aren’t built to be huge. Thicker yes, but not to carry excessive amounts of weight to the point of being over 200lbs. If we were, we wouldn’t have such a high rate of heart related health concerns in North America… Please, educate yourself on health what our body types are supposed to be like instead of looking at the general population and saying “Hey, Raven isn’t as big compared to….”
If you want healthy looking people, look at Sweden or somewhere up there. North Americans are VERY unhealthy.
Thanks for your concern Aaron but I’m very well education when it comes to obesity and health problems. I never said it was okay to be her size. What I was saying was she’s not obese. I also said her body was never meant to be small. I never said she was naturally “big.” My issue is certain people who say disgusting things about her like “ewwww” and “she’s so ugly!”. If they were to become concerned about her health, then they should have said that in the first place. Instead, they want to focus on how fat she is and how she “needs to lose weight”. Some of those comments were put downs and saying she’s a bad role model. I’m sorry Aaron, but I’m standing by my opinion. Society is way to critical and harsh when it comes to body image. Yes, it’s unhealty to be overweight when it comes to heart problems, but it’s also unhealthy to be underweight and anorixic which leads to hair loss, liver failer, and even death.
Raven teaches girls to love themselves and to have confidence rather you’re fat, skinny, bony, or thick. She’s a very positive role model, and I’m actually proud to see a plus size, VERY BEAUTIFUL, successful, young role model for females. Sorry Aaron, but I’m way more educated than you think.
Jessica, I totally agree with you. Also what’s with Aaron saying North Americans are overweight. I’m sure there’s fat people in your country as well so back off. Aaron’s comment is kind of a low blow when he told you to get educated. Grow up Aaron.
As for Raven, she’s stunning.
To be honest, on a holiday to the US (I’m Canadian) I was shocked by the amount of obesity I saw. I don’t think it is fair to say that North American’s are obese, because here in Canada we love to active and there are far less fat people here. If you want to see really healthy, look at the Australians. The warm climate must make it easier to be fit. My dad also said that the sizing in the US is bigger than that here. Vanity sizing, anyone?
She’s adorable but the outfit is not flattering at all.
shes gr8.. luv her!
she is not adorable and that is the ugliest outfit on the ugliest body ive ever seen…she need to lose like 20 lbs and then she would be considered even remotely beautiful…and why is she still famous?!
@Kayla,
Her body isn’t ugly at all. I’m not trying to be mean, but your comment is one of many reason why people have low self-confidence. I don’t think she needs to lose any weight. She’s famous becuase she’s talented and have a bubbly positive personallity. Her being famous have nothing to do with her weight so BACK OFF RAVEN!!! She’s a great role model, and is very beautiful (especially her face). Who are you to say she’s ugly just becuase she’s not a size 3? Grow up.
uh what she needs do to then is AT LEAST try and make herself look somewhat attractive because in my opinion, i dont see how anyone can find this attractive…and she doesnt do anything nowadays that would make her accreditable(sp?)…she needs to lose at least 15 lbs to even be considered healthy because being overweight should NOT be applauded. Just because someone isnt super skinny and is fat and sloppy looking does not mean they would make a good role model… a good role model should be someone healthy and fit not overweight which means you’re saying its okay to be overweight and unhealthy.
I don’t think she’s slopy at all. If anything, she’s well kept. What Ashely is trying to say Kayla is She teaches women and young girls to love themselves inspite of their size. And she may be perfectly healthy and just appear to be overweight. It may be more challenging for some people to lose weight than others. Some people can lose it in a heartbeat. The point you are missing hun is you’re attractive even if you are a plus size. Not just if you’re little. And Raven has the self-confidence and the beauty to make many women of all figures proud. You’d be surprised on how many people may find her attractive. I love the outfit, at least she’s covered up.
“healthy but appears to be overweight.” THAT’S A NEW ONE AHAHAHAHAHA. THAT’S A DAMN STUPID EXCUSE TO USE FOR BEING OVERWEIGHT!
Yes, for some people with thyroid issues, losing weight is a challenge, or even maintaining a healthy weight.
For more than half the overweight population though, it’s sheer lack of physical fitness or healthy eating habits.
Why are People in Northern Europe so much more healthy than Americas? Hmmmm?
It’s one thing to be curvy and live an active lifestyle that IS healthy, than to be overweight and curvy and be like “i’m fat, but proud.”
Overweight or obesity should not be something to be proud of, because it is unhealthy. The same goes for extreme thinness. You people really do not know how to be healthy, that’s why so many people are dying in America due to heart failure, organ failure, artery failure, etc etc etc. Most of the top causes for deaths in America are linked to being overweight.
Get educated. There’s a difference between curvy-healthy, and rolls from being overweight!!
DUMBASS WHO ARE YOU TO SAY I’M NOT EDUCATED, YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW ME SO SHUT THE F*CK UP!!!!
Yuck.
she’s huge. ew, ew, ew, eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew
shes gorgeous, just the way she is
GROW UP PEOPLE!!!!. What’s with the exaggeration whith how huge she is?!? I agree with Aimee she’s georgous just the way she is. FAT or SKINNY you are beautiful. I don’t know what to say about some of you.
I don’t know who she is… but ugly outfit thought! And what is it about the pearls on her ankle????
she looks like she just ate Hansel and Gretel and is now wearing their costumes.
What an unkind thing to say.
..and the problem with weight in North America is not so black and white. Sadly, it’s cheaper to eat crap than to buy healthy produce. Canned vegetables are cheaper than fresh ones; bread sans preservatives is twice the cost of a loaf with artificial ingredients; a can of tuna in oil is cheaper than a can of water… people with more money can afford to be thinner.
Having lived for three years in Switzerland, I believe that there is also something to be said about people consuming processed foods. It is difficult to find things that do not contain high fructose corn syrup and genetically modified ingredients in America, save for a few cities such as L.A. and New York (and their abundance of organic markets). The U.S. gov’t does not require labels to reflect the addition of genetically modified ingredients. The American people are at a disadvantage and your snap judgments that everyone is “fat, but proud” are asinine.
**oops I meant “a can of tuna in oil is cheaper than a can of tuna in water”
poor thing… she just needs a stylist, that’s it
Yeah Potato I agree with you. She’s beautiful she just needs a stylist. Nothing is wrong with her figure. That’s what Versus is saying.
All she needs is a new stylist, that’s all. I think that, unless it’s life threatening, you should be in the body you feel comfortable in, because confidence and self appreciation is key to getting what you want in life. Other people saying rubbish about you just brings your confidence way down and makes you feel unattractive. I don’t think she’s unattractive at all- but i think she could do with better clothing choices.
Im all for being confident but sometimes u need to lose a lil bit of weight, IMO she can lose the weight and still be considered curvy but a healtheir version
She needs to lose some weight, she needs to dress according to her body type too. otherwise i love raven, she’s cheerfull and has a bubbly personality.
poor raven.. it seems that she too, like myself, has dreaded back fat.. bt otherwise i like it.. even love it.. its a very stylish outfit with gorgeous shoes! x
im am so sick of her wearing ugly outfits. as a curvy woman myself, im all for every woman loving her body type but she chooses outfit that dont flatter her body. i mean damn, shes been in the business for years, get it together.
Yeah I agree, being overweight/ obese is one thing but the outfit is totally wrong. If she wants to continue at that size then he needs to ditch everything right down to the ankle chain and get a stylist who is good at dressing ‘larger’ sizes.
sorri I meant she not he.
and sorry not sorri!
she needs to stop stuffing her face and eat healthfully and then she wouldn’t be such an obese cow.
well said.
Okay some of you people are staring to make me mad. I wasn’t going to say anything but here it goes. First of all, it’s not right to lash out at raven and making nasty steriotypical comments like “she needs to quit stuffing her face”. How would you like it if someone was to say about a skinny girl “she needs to stop sticking her figure down her throat and eat a sandwhich”? Yall be mad as hell.
Second, You guys don’t know anything about her and what she does in her personal life so who are you to say she’s a cow and doesn’t work out? I’m telling you, some of you people are too much
and Aaron, this one’s for you sweety. I don’t know what’s with you saying certain people need to be educated. Maybe you need to educate yourself on seeing maybe why she’s having weight problems. It’s not right for you to say we “NORTH AMERIANS” are too obese when you see several perfectly healthy fit Americans. Instead of jumping on poor Raven, why don’t you look at some of the super skinny stars and see what’s with them being underweight. I don’t know who you think you are or where your from but you should watch what you say about people and their ethic backgrounds for it’s coming out WAY too offensive.
Now back to Raven. She’s beautiful just the way she is. I love the skirt and shoes but the shirt can be different. She’s still a good role model. I don’t care what no one says.
I meant to say Americans
and I also meant to say Finger not figure LOL Let me correct myself before one of you people do.
healthily not healthfully… :/
would u like me to call u a dumb cow?
didnt think so..
Ha Ha Red perfectly said. Oh, and TRACY, I think that was for you.
Anywas Olivia well said. You guys should stop picking on Raven Symone and “North Americans.” I will say not all North Amerians are Obese ans you might have heard Aaron. You cannot tell me that every single Euopeans (sp?) or where ever you’re from is super thin and skinny. There are overweight people everywhere. Not just in America. I feel Aaron that you need to watch yourself.
Oops anyways not anywas LOL
Being obese is certainly not a role model for young girls. I am sorry.
exactly. I agree.
@JJJ
What you’re not understanding is there is so much more to being a role model other than body image. Someone can be perfectly fit and be the worst influance of all. You shouldn’t pick on her (not just you but others as well, so I’m not picking on you) because she’s “Obese”. You know who’s obese? The main character from hairspray (whatever her name is). Raven is much smaller and is still beautiful. I wish some of you can see that.
Hun it’s not about whos more obese than others. It’s about being a role model. Being a good role model for young girls takes a lot more than your size. As far as we know the lady from hairspray can be a great role model. It’s all about what you do for others and inspiration. Not fat or small. A skinny girl can be the worst role-model and could be the most stuck up person.
Anyways, wasn’t this post about her outfit not her size?!?
um raven is definitely not smaller than “tracy turnblad”, theyre both pretty fat…being fat or “curvy” should not be accepted the way it is today mainly in america..Women shouldnt be applauded or praised because they arent super skinny. Women that are fit and healthy should be called good role models because they are obviously healthy. Fat girls just need an excuse for being fat. But anyways, Raven might have a slightly pretty face if she doesnt do those ridiculous faces every once in a while.
Nobody is making excuses. That’s just the way she is and depending on your genetics you probably can gain weight faster than others.
and I think the lady from hairspray is bigger than Raven. I don’t even think Raven is fat at all! She’s thick. and she’s not just slightly pretty she’s extremely pretty. You can be thick and healthy and you can be thin and healthy. Raven is a highly successful woman who have accomplished many things for her age. Hey, critics even said that she could be the next Oprah (who is also a plus size). What I’m saying is she deserves a lot more respect than what others are giving her. Just becuase she isn’t “fit” doesn’t make her a bad role model. You should google her one day. (that wasn’t sarcasim either).
And Kayla,
Please stop saying we “Americans” accept Obeisity. America is not the only place with overweight people…
The role model comment was in response to prior comments who stated that she should be a role model for young women because of her confidence in her weight. She could certainly be a role model for her accomplishments, but not for being proud of being unhealthy and overweight.
um, this is simply a picutre of her.
i dont think she is saying LOOK, IM PROUD THAT I AM OVERWEIGHT AND I WANT THIS TO BE A ROLE MODEL.
why are you putting words in her mouth about her trying to be a role model for being overweight to young girls??
i think she is a role model because she is what she is, she has confidence. and she doesnt specifically say, IM PROUD SPECIFICIALLY BECAUSE IM FAT.
maybe she can be proud of other things other than her physical appearance….
oh, but women arent allowed to be valued by anything other than their bodies. i forgot.
LOL good one Steph. That’s what many of us is trying to say!
Nobody said anything about Raven being proud of her weight. They were saying she teaches young women to love their bodies and not have low self-esteem. She didn’t say being overweight is okay.
thank you olivia. thats exactly what i meant.
i was responding to this quote “She could certainly be a role model for her accomplishments, but not for being proud of being unhealthy and overweight.”
which implied that Raven had stated that she was proud of being unhealthy and overweight. which is not only entirely false, but places the basis of her value on her weight rather than said accomplishments.
love raven, top chick
but this is TIGHT
she has gotten larger
People in Northern Europe are healthier then Americans??????? HAHAHAHA….I live here in Germany and have done lots of traveling throughout Europe while being stationed here and let me tell you….there are just as many overweight people here as their are in America. I have seen it with my own eyes. But anyway…Yes she is overweight and although i don’t think that being overweight makes you a healthy role model it is a little more refreshing to see that then someone who is rail thin and starves themselves. Obviously people should eat healthy and excersise and whatever weight their bodies take them too is where they should be at. But it shouldnt be about size..it should be about health
I was just thinking that about being a role model. Some of you people are judgemental when you don’t even know what this child has been through. Inspite of her size she’s still a great role model becuase her success, talent, and beauty.
THERE’S MUCH MORE TO HER THAN HER WEIGHT. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!! (SOME OF YOU NOT ALL)
Eww!!! She should loose some weight. I am sure that she would look great a little slimer because she has some amazing curves. Image is not everything for sure but it has a big impact and never forget about first impression.
For all of the people who are saying ewww, she’s gross, “Educate yourself” and she’s a bad role model, needs to stop. Seriously. She’s a wonderful role model, just for the simple fact that she made several great accomplishments for someone her age. She’s encouraging, uplifting, and a positive person compared to a skinny actresses (Lindsey for instance) who party all night and does bad stuff. Image isn’t everything becuase inspite of her shape, she’s still very well kept up, extremely beautiful, and sweet. Some of you are making it seem as if she’s just plain nasty. As a former plus size lady it really was a struggle for me to lose weight. It took several months of hard work for me to get into the fabulous shape I’m in today. Everybody is different and what your size is/will be depends on your family. If you’re mom is a plus size unless you starve yourself, it’s going to be more challenging to get into shape. So I defend her. I agree with Jackie some of you are way too judgemental.
Instead of calling her fat put yourself in her place. Unless you walk one day in her shoes, you have no clue what she is/isn’t doing in her life, what she’s involved with, or what her schedule consist of. Leave Poor Rave alone. She’s a sweet humble person give her a break.
Well obviously she isnt doing anything useful that would make her healthy. If she would just lose about 15 lbs the least then she should be considered a good role model because she is HEALTHY and not because she is fat or “curvy”. And America needs to understand that and not just accept obesity and make it seem like its okay because its not.
Kayla,
What part of Obeisity is not only in America don’t you understand??? And besides, like it was said in MANY comments, there is so much more to being a role model than just body image. You can be a bad role model if you do drugs, if you’re an alcoholic, or of your abusive. You can be a perfect tiny supermodel and still be a terrible role model. Leave her alone.
When i say obesity is accepted in America i dont mean that its only in America. All im saying is that being overweight shouldnt be considered a reason to be a role model. Being overweight is not healthy and shouldnt be applauded and accepted. I understand that she is what she is and she likes it. People in general shouldnt just make that an excuse for her being a role model. She doesnt do anything that would make her a role model other than be proud of being fat or “curvy”.
Who said she was making excuses?!? Please don’t look at the fact that she’s overweight. Just pretend that you’ve never seen her. She a wonderful role model becuase she teaches women to love their bodies and to be confident. Instead of looking at this critical judgemental society that tells people that you are only pretty if you’re skinny. Beauty comes in all shapes and sizes. And Raven is lovely. I’m sure America isn’t accepting Obeisity but there is so much more to Raven than her figure. I wish some people could see pass that.
You don’t even know Raven so you have no Idea what Raven is all about. Google her or go on the Wikipedia then you can see all the accomplishments she made in her young life. She’s a diva. Trust me, she came a long way since little Olivia from the Cosby Show.
Wow! I couldn’t agree more.
Raven is a fatass and everyone who defends her must be a fatass because why would anyone try to justify that she is healthy or a role-model? She is a model of ROLLS however….ones that she probably stuffs her face in each day. LOL.
TRACY, being fat has nothing to do with defending Raven. You don’t even know what you are talking about! You don’t even know what we look like so who are you to say we are fat??? Sweety, you’re just ignorant I’m done talking toyou. YEP, I SAID IT!!!! YOU’RE IGNORANT!!!!
Ignorant indeed honey!!!!! Maybe we defend her because we have intelligence to realize that being big or little has nothing to do with being a good role model.
I say you have ignorant ways Tracy because you made a Stereotypical statement indicating that we’re fat because we’re defending Raven. Put yourself in her place for you’ve problably never been big and therefore, it’s casual for you to put plus size women down. Grow up!
I hate the skinny look. But this girl, whoever she is, should lose some weight for her own health by eating vegetables, fruits, good carbs and proteins and exercise a few times a week. It’s not good at all being skinny, nor overweight. Please stop thinking only about the estethical aspect, think about the health-part!
Oh, and the outfit is pretty funky. I like it only packed up with a great attitude. And she has it!
why does raven need to lose weight? i mean she looks fine to me and i think it’s sad that people want to put her down because she’s a big girl. i’m for defending all body types and she’s look good but the outfit looks wrong and ugly. people need to stop making bad comments about her when you don’t know her and i’m pretty sure she does take care of herself. she can’t help the fact that she’s a big girl and feels comfortable in her skin. and aaron, you need to shut up saying that americans are unhealthy and we need to educate ourselves when you need to stop putting other people because they don’t look the way you like them to look like. i take care of myself but at the same time don’t go overboard with it. if nobody can’t say anything nice then get the f**k off the site then!
Just wondering, people like tracy, jjj, kayla, aaron, e, raluca, mari, etc…, would you say that kind of thing to Raven’s face, or anyone other woman out there that is built like her?
i definitely would say it to her face if necessary. I never wanted to hurt any sensitive person that comes to this site but im just saying my opinion. If you dont like what i have to say then OH WELL. If youre fat and you wanna be happy, thats very good for you if youre happy with the way you are. I just never would want to be fat.
Nobody is being sensitive but at the same time We’re just stating facts. Putting bigger women down (not just you but anyone) and calling them gross is wrong. They can say what they want but just like them, we have an opinion as well. And I will stand up for someone who is badly talked about especially since she is a sweet humble person. I met Raven and she is one of the most intelligent sweet people compared to other celebrites I’ve met. There is so much more to a woman than her body, and that’s why it disgust me to see some of you put her weight down.
If I saw Raven in person I would definitely tell her she was a fatass!
Oops I mean that SHE IS a fatass!!
And like I said. you are IGNORANT if you would litterally come up to somone and call them fat. I think it’s rude and disrespectul. You know what, I hope you get big one day and see how it hurts to be called fat. What goes around comes around sweetey.
I would NEVER let myself get big. She needs to gain some self control if anything!!!
I don’t stuff my face or eat nasty unhealthy food like Raven! I would rather die than be as big as her! I’d rather go shopping and spend money on that instead of food.
Are you done yet? You never know what you are gonna look like years from now. You can’t really predict rather you’ll stay skinny or gain weight. Plus unless you spend days and weeks with the actual Raven Symone, you have no clue what she eats/doesn’t eat.
I love skinny people, but I honestly can’t stand people who put bigger women down. Just becuase you’ve been blessed with a smaller figure, what gives you the right and the audacity to call someone a fatass?
What goes around Tracy comes around. Keep talking trash about overweight people and you will find yourself one day a plus size woman. And I can gaurantee you that you won’t like the feeling of someone calling you fat, and “stuffing your face”. Dont’ you realize your words hurt certain people???
P.S don’t bother calling me fat, my figure has nothing to do with defending plus size people. I just find it highly disrespectful to tease fuller people just because I’m skinny.
…You were raised right. Too bad the world is not filled with people who have your candour–to go up to an innocent person and tell them how horrid you think they are… (!)
Honestly, you must be joking! I wouldn’t brag about having that kind of cruelty!
The body’s just a shell, Tracy. We’re all going to die someday. You should put more effort into developing your character.
Y’all that have responded so far: You mean nothing then. It is one thing to have the opinion that someone has too much weight and to think they need to lose weight, but that isn’t the opinion you are expressing. You are being disgustingly insulting for no purpose what so ever. And I really don’t believe you would be so disgustingly insulting in person, and if you are, what a sad, lonely life you must have. Either that, or you are surrounded by people just like yourselves, and that is just as sad.
Amen to that, Stella.
The role model comment was in response to prior comments who stated that she should be a role model for young women because of her confidence in her weight. She could certainly be a role model for her accomplishments, but not for being proud of being unhealthy and overweight.
Oops, sorry ’bout that jjj
What makes you think she’s unhealthy becuase she’s overweight? She can be perfectly healthy. She looks like a normal healthy young woman to me!
healthy and overweight are complete opposites
I disagree. I personally don’t think she’s fat at all. I’ve seen a picture of her with tighter clothes and she’s not big. She’s a full figured lady but she’s not fat. Maybe it’s the outfit she’s wearing that’s making her look a little bigger. Maybe becuase some of you are use to being small anything bigger than your shape is considered fat (I’m not exaggerating some of you may beleive that). I think she’s fine. I think she may be healthy. None of us know for sure. Unless you know her and spend a day with her, none of us really have the right to say rather she’s healthy or not. She may look one way, but her health could be completly different that what we think. Someone could have a 6 pack but could be in bad health. Image isn’t everything. Just like certain paople could take diet pills to make themselves appear to be healthy. Or maybe they work out I don’t know. Anyways, she’s pretty, and sweet. Leav her alone.
Oh, and Aaron, I’m from Europe and I must tell you that we have fat, skinny, normal, chubby, curvy, etc girls just like everyone else. We’re all human beings and McDonald’s spreads unfortunately everywhere so cut the crap off.
There are SO many unproven/stupid statements in these comments, it’s incredible.
First, who says she’s happy or proud at this weight? Just because she hasn’t slimmed down doesn’t mean she doesn’t WANT to. And about the role-model thing, I don’t think it’s particularly a good idea to idolize someone JUST because she’s overweight and stays that way (idolizing her for her accomplishments and personality is a different thing. I’m not saying there’s anything at all wrong with that, this is only directed to those who are saying she’s a good role-model SOLELY because she’s not a toothpick). Where, exactly, is the positive aspect in there?
Also, if you’re overweight, unless if it is due to a large amount of muscle mass, you’re not healthy. Even if genetics often are influential factors, it’s STILL not healthy. It may be harder to control, and trust me I can understand that (having been close to overweight a good part of my life (but having gone from a BMI of 25 to 21 now and planning on staying that way)), but having a lot of fat, especially around your waist/abdomen area, is NOT HEALTHY, period. I’m NOT advocating the ultra-skinny look, if you look at my comments throughout this site I usually am on the curvy side. But curvy and overweight are very different things.
Also, for those of you defending America… You have GOT to realize that although there obviously are many overweight people throughout the world, it is PROVEN STATISTICALLY that the US has the largest rate of obesity. Like it or not. You can defend your country all you want, but it IS a fact. And I like the US, I’m not trying to attack you in any way, but denying facts to preserve your ego is not gonna get you anywhere.
& I hope nobody is offended by any part of my comment, because I am not trying to be harsh at all. I would NEVER say anything as ignorant as “ewwwww”, “she should stop stuffing her face” or “Raven is a fatass”. but I think everyone should and deserves to be healthy, and yes, both extremes are as bad.
haha, I hadn’t realized how long my comment was. sorry ’bout that.
Elizabeth,
The reason why I say she’s a good role model is beuase of her hard work and all of her accomplishments. I don’t think anyone is sayng she’s a good role model becuase she’s overweight (unless I’m missing something?)
Second, I’m disgusted at the people who are putting such a sweet woman down. Calling her names and being harsh. We are all adults and for certain people (Aaron) to insult our intelligance and making it seem as though she’s a ugly pig is uncalled for. Overweight people have been badly talked about for a long time and I strongly feel there should be a point that I should stand up for them. Okay maybe she’s not healthy but calling her (or anyone) a fatass and a pig is starting to get old and I’m sick of it!
Maybe Raven does have Large muscle mass or may be big boned. WE DON’T KNOW! But for people to keep putting her down for her weight instead of seeing the strong independant woman she is makes me sick. I say she’s a role model becuase she encourages young girls and women to believe in themselves no matter who you are or what you look like. Not to mention she’s a lot of fun and won many awards. That’s why people copare her to Oprah becuase she is becoming very powerful. Which is incredible for someone her age.
That’s why I stand up for her. people are beautiful no matter what they look like. Society needs to stop setting unrealistic standers based on what people look like. Instead of calling Raven Symone (or other plus size people) ugly names why don’t we focus on clothing that better fits her figure?
No offense is taken Elizabeth and I hope I don’t offend you either but you must understand where me and other people are coming from when defending Raven.
I agree with Both Elizabeth and Lola.
I do agree with you for the most part, and I definetely understand where you’re coming from.
I am in no way defending those who name call and look down on people just because of their weight.. having personally experienced it when I was younger has pretty much conditioned me to look down upon any type of condescending people on any regards.
And I am not either saying that Raven is any less of a good person because of her weight. I respect her achievements (although I admit that I don’t know much about her other than the fact that she played on That’s So Raven..), but I don’t think she should be admired just because she doesn’t cave into our society’s “ideal”. I think people such as Rihanna, Jessica Biel, Hilary Duff etc. should be respected for that because they are toned and appear healthy and confident rather than just skinny and starved, or out of shape (and no, I don’t know all their life habits so I can’t say 100% for sure that they are completely healthy in all aspects, but they do have toned bodies, healthy looking skin etc.)
Anyway. Those are MY ideals and I understand not everyone can look that way.
& for the “we are all adults” part.. In fact I’m only 16, but thanks for considering me as one
Well Lola, I give it to you. If that’s the case, you are a highly mature person for your age. With your views and the way you carry yourself, you remind me a lot of myself when I was 16 back in 2004.
Oops, I meant Elizabeth. Sorry I just woke up. he he
I completely agree with you
Elizabeth,
I am aware that American may have the highest overweight rate, but I don’t appreciate certain people pin pointing my country and making it seem as though North America is the only place with overweight people.
Yeah Jessica That’s what I’m saying!!
Elizabeth says”And about the role-model thing, I don’t think it’s particularly a good idea to idolize someone JUST because she’s overweight and stays that way (idolizing her for her accomplishments and personality is a different thing. I’m not saying there’s anything at all wrong with that, this is only directed to those who are saying she’s a good role-model SOLELY because she’s not a toothpick). Where, exactly, is the positive aspect in there?”
I completely agree with elizabeth. the fact she is a role model from some other personal spect,is irrelevant. thats one of points i was saying below.
i wouldnt ever wanna see her in a bikini. she shud get healthy. for her own sake. not to look good. but to be healthy.
See Balladee, you’re comment is more appreciateive and more normal than what half these heffas said LOL.
Agree with belladee… Someone in her inner circle needs to tell her that if she continues to “grow” att his rate, she is going to look like Aretha Franklin. She is a cute girl, but she’s a cow. No two ways to say it.
@Tracy: How do you know she stuffs her face with unhealthy foods? And sweetie, you may not have a choice in “letting” yourself get that big, you don’t know what will happen to you in the future that may take that beyond your control.
OK if she was grossly underweight she wouln’t get applause or congrats for being a god role model.
So why is that when is overweight suddenly its “unmoral” to critize thir weigth or bodtype. its the point of the site. freedom of speech & opinion(no pun intended:P)
its now supposedly okay to be “fat” or overweight ot”obsese b/c its more attainable and b/.c beingly overly underweight isn’t?
In my opinon, If your not healthy. very fat or very thin. You deserve no congrats or positive comments to encourage you to stay that way. I certainly won’t encourage it.
Raven needs to lose weight. truth be told. for health,beautiful or not. since one’s body size does not attribute to their beauty alone.
She is pretty young to be in such a state ,to be frank. remember the first season of thats so raven, a very healthy girl. even is third season. after thats so raven was fisnished,she gained more pounds.
ANd She wasn’t ment to be that way, her skeltal frame proves otherwise. as well as her skinny adolscent and child phases of life . basic point: she spent more years being skinny than fat.
****MY POINT:so ewww on the outfit. (she could have chose a more flatering dress) her weight is begining to distiort her face. (you can only imagine her without make-up).she may have an eating disorder, but she isn’t getting my simpathy to encourage her unhealthy lifestyle.And from a physchological stand point based on her interviews and other media appearances, she isn’t as confident as appears to be either.
P.S one’s accomplishments or not, it does not excuse one health. especailly on a site designed to be concerned and examine one’s health.
Good lord, the “bigger” girls on this site get a lot more *beep* thrown at them than the skinny girls. How many people praise Paris and go on about how good she looks for being skinny and how they want to look like her, blah blah blah, and how many people put down Beyonce and call her fat and say she needs to lose weight and how they would hate to have her body, blah blah blah(yes, I know this is an article about Raven, but my point is best noted when talking about a woman that isn’t overweight). It’s OK to be skinny, but it’s not OK to be non-skinny(regardless of whether the person is healthy or not), and look at how many people jumped at the chance to put down an overweight woman on here(and also jump at the chance to put down a woman that isn’t overweight). I’ve seen more insults on the non-skinnies on here than I have of the skinnies on here.
I wasn’t going to say anything, but some of you are really starting to bother me.
@ Freedom,
True, this website is based on body types. However, it’s not right to be nasty and deeply citirize her and call her names. That’s where it’s taking too far. I believe this website is about giving advice onto what clothing flatters her body the best, not how she needs to lose weight becuase she’s a cow! She deeply gets my sympthy because it’s not right for certain people to put her down. I can only imagine how tough it is to deal with harsh critics such as yourself telling her how she’s fat and needs to lose weight like she’s not already aware of it. Maybe that’s why she’s not as confident becuase of people like you calling her out becuase of her size???
What people are trying to say on this posts Freedom is there is a lot more to Raven then her size. The point you people are missing is she’s not encourging people to be overweight. She trying to tell people to believe in themselves and understand you are beautiful no matter how big/small you are. She’s not promoting an unhealthy life she’s tryng to make people with low self-esteem feel better until they can get in better shape. What makes you and others think she’s not trying to lose weight?
It doesn’t matter how young she is it may be more difficult for some people to stay in shape than others. Some people have the blessing of being thin while others struggle a little more.
As far as certain people being concerned about her health, it CERTAINLY didn’t come out that way. People on this paticular posts is focusing more on how much she’s a cow, she’d gross, ewwwww, and she’s ugly. It doesn’t sound like concerned people to me. No one is saying it’s okay to be fat. But at the same time it’s wrong for skinny/smaller people to make fun of her or other plus size women. That’s where low self-esteem and depression comes from. Rough critics.
You guys are lucky Raven is a strong woman and hangs in there. Sure she can be healtier (which is the only acception to weight loss not to be thinner) I just hope she doesn’t end up like Nicole Richie because of harsh people making fun of her.
Oh, and I’m sure if she was underweight she can be a good role model if she’s a good person like Raven…
OK. but I didn’t call her a cow or any names. so no need to insult her or lecture me on what OTHER people said.
the site is about bodies firstly(read about/disclaimer); clothing is an added aspect when one evaluates one shape. Clothing can only hide so much.
I love your words, of encouragement. but Raven didn’t exactly say those lovely words on body image. So Like I said before we shouldn’t hold her on pedestal.
I never said she had to be ” thin”(all that depends on your definition) to be healthy. but she definitely shouldn’t be this out of shape either.
yes age does play a process in health. by the law of evolution and physics. the younger one is the healthier they are .At least suppost to be. if raven in unhealthy now in her younger years, you can only imagine the complications when she is older.
*for example most young adults don’t have arthritis, if they do they do its definitely b/c of health. However ,senior citizens are expected to have it as a given. This shows you the health expectations for age. Considering when your younger you have a faster metabolism, newer cells, less oxidants, and wrinkles, etc. And your in the best shape your every going to be in your youth.
I said she is not as confident as she appears to be from a psychological stand point, never based it on her weight. I based it on her behavioural mannerisms in certain circumstances(highlighted in my previous post) Please don’t make me go in to a whole psychoanalysis. It would be more than a page long, trust me.
you say “good person” like you know her. Nicole Richie was never that big and raven never can be that unhealthily thin.(her frame and weight now doesn’t permit it. Her bones are too dense. And you can‘t be skinner bones) so I don’t think we have to worry about that.:P
** JUST food for thought/theory:
if raven is still famous enough to be considered a role model
(which i think is really rude to label someone, unless they proclaim themselves as such. b/c ppl don’t ask to be role models. Its alot of pressure .Especailly when in the lime light)
then wouldn’t her weight ,of prasied be cosnidered encouraging obesity?
Just like if the media encourages anorexic celebs, it does the same thing?
I’m sure if Raven had said the mesage you were preaching along the same lines,this confusion could be resolved. unfortunately she isn’t. thats where another problem lies.
*Anyways Raven is not realy that famous anymore and hardly ever mentioned in the media. so this weight encouragemnet could not hapen anyways. this only philosphical in theory.
Okay, I wasn’t gonna go there Freedom, but on behalf of myself here’s what I found kinda offensive frome your comments (maybe other people as well…)
“So why is that when is overweight suddenly its “unmoral” to critize thir weigth or bodtype. its the point of the site. freedom of speech & opinion(no pun intended:P)”
To me, that means you were defending those who were putting her down and calling her names. You said Freedom and Speach. You may not have said it, you might as well for justifying what certain people are saying.
“P.S one’s accomplishments or not, it does not excuse one health. especailly on a site designed to be concerned and examine one’s health.”
This is where to me you were twisting other’s words around. PEOPLE WERE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT RAVEN’S HEALTH AT FIRST READ THE EARLIER COMMENTS PRETTY PLEASE???? It certainly didn’t sound as though they were concerned about her health, more as though she was a FATASS!
Now, those were the only things I would say I can take offense to. Nobody is idolizing Raven Symone becuase she’s overweight. She’s well loved becuase of her sweet, warm personallity. You want to go on and on and on about how we are “so” defensive, and I personally feel that you are taking this just as personall as we are. You gave your opionion, the the girls gave theirs. So be it. Let’s just leave it alone!!!!
I wasn’t talking about you persoanlly (unless the shoe fits then wear it!)first of all Freedom, but the way your comment comes off, it’s very one sided. SECONDLY, like I said, I understand this website is about body types, but at the same time it’s just WRONG to put plus size women down. THAT’S JUST THE WAY IT IS. Unless you personally at one point was a plus size person, I personally don’t think it’s right to comment how how she is. And even if you have expericed being overweight, then maybe you would be a little more understanding.
I don’t care what the Eveloution of psycics (sp?) says, just because you’re younger it doesn’t necesarily mean you have faster matabilism. Like I said in my previous comments, it depends on the genetics. Maybe she is out of shape, maybe what she’s wearing can make her look bigger? Take me for instance. I’m a pretty small girl but I’m kinda curvy at the bottom. If I wear the right clothing, I can make myself look thinner. Now, if I wear a pencil skirt, then my legs can look bigger than what they acutually are. so really, we have NO clue how in/out of shape she really is.
As far as the Nicole Richie thing, I was referring to her becuase of people making disgusting comments and calling her fat (even like you said she never was fat but I’m sure you know how society is) she lost a lot of weight and at one point became underweight. Then after she lost all that weight, people were calling her anorexic and bony. That’s why I said I hope poor Raven doesn’t end up like Nicole Richie.
Raven Symone did actuall say “lovely” things on body image. I personally don’t see where she’s encougaing being overweight as being healthy. You don’t know her personally. so you can write a whole book based on psychoanalysis, but in reality sweety, unless you’ve been in that person’s shoes, you can’t tell me enough about how her body works. I don’t give a damn if it’s proven. I know how it’s like to be plus size at one point. It took a lot of hard work for me to get that off. When you gain weight, you don’t even realize it. So when I finally did notice a difference in myself, I had to work hard for a very long time in order for me to get all of those pounds off. I’m pretty sure you’ve never been overweight. You can write a whole page based off of that psychoanalsis but I’m still standing by my opnion.
I’m sure you’re not trying to be mean but I’m sick and tired of people always having something to say about plus size women when you don’t even know their story. My words from my previous post were more than encouraging, it’s real talk. Just try to understand where I’m coming from.
For Freedom and anyone else, here’s a quoat from the actuall Raven Symone for those who are confused about her “encouraging people to be unhealthy”
“People come up to me and have certain words for me, but you know what I do? I say, ‘I’m healthy, I exercise, I believe in myself, and I think I’m beautiful,’ ” she says. “You just have to learn how to transform the pressures into something that doesn’t soak into you on a personal level. You see it, you breathe past it, you don’t let it sink into your self-esteem.”
See people, does it look like she said “Hey, lets eat lots of greasy foods and be unhealthy, yeah!”?…didn’t think so. Stop twisting and turning everything and make us people who are defending her look bad!!!!
Here’s what I think. There is a lot of exaggeration on how big Raven Symone really is. Second, I don’t care what some research psychoanalsis bulls*it proves. My personal opinion is you can indeed be bigger and still be healthy. It all depends on your bone structure. And to me (I could be wrong) she does appear to have large bone stucture.
Just to make sure I’m not missing anything, I went on the internet to look up
find anything Raven Symone may say about bing overweight is healthy and I havn’t found anything. Are we twisting around words???
Look, Raven is Raven. and Freedom, Just becuase she’s not as “famous” anymore, she has made huge accomplishments in her career. And it still may not be over yet. She’s still young, so can we not jump into any conclusions please???
Okay, now onto the outfit. TERRIBLE!!!!!. The only thing I like is the skirt and the shoes. I think the peral around her neck is lovely. Everything else sucks. But Raven is a geogous girl so hopefully she gets a better stylist so people wouldn’t talk so badly about her.
Savanah,
You made a really good point about the matabolism thing. Not everything is going to be the same for everyone. I strongly believe it depends on your family members. Freedom can write a web page full of reasearch or whatever but when it really boils down to it, I know it depends on genetics. Not saying it’s impossible to be skinny, but I understand that it’s more challenging than others. Raven Symone is comfortable in her skin, and I feel women is worth so much more than just her body, so I think people should just leave her alone. Oh, and Freedom, her career isn’t over yet. She was just in a movie less than a year ago so just sit tight. I’m sure you’ll see more of her. Ha ha
I embrace both Savanah and some of Freedom’s comments.
@Savanah: Oh i thought you were insulting raven by calling her cow. my bad.:P
I honestly don’t care about raven enough to go on with this.
You should really calm down by the way:p I worry you may be taking things to personally.
and if she on a healthy journey like many of you claim .then fine, she should keep going with that.good for her. I really do .Then she is doing exactly what i suggested her to do.
I WANT YO HIGLIGHT THIS FOR YOU:
I NEVER said being thin means being healthy. I NEVER said being overweight means being unhealthy b/c that depends on many variants.I said being out of shape means you are unhealthy.
AND size is mere factor on being overweight. look at big boned Brooke hogan,she is perfectly healthy. regradless of her big frame.Thus some items of clothing, may make you look bigger, but not overweight. I guarantee you:D you probaly look wonderful and there is only a ceratin amount clothes can illude.
I never was plus size. And I admit I should have envoked some more sympathy is my response. However,you telling me you USE TO be a plus size is proving my point. if being a plus size was okay,why did feel you need to lose weight?clothing labels do not determine health.So my comments were not rleated to her clothing size.
a PYHSCOANAYLIS EXAMINES PERSOANLITY. PYSHCOLOGY DOES NOT EXAMINE ONES PHYSICAL APPEARANCE OR ATTRACTIVENESS.you misinterpreted the word physcoanalysis ,it was in reference to her personality(which was not related not her weight)I ment as evidence as to why I see clearly she isn’t as confident as she protrays/claims herself to be.
***Anyhoo. of course understand your point. Obviously that wasn’t the point I wanted to make. Whether you wanted me to make it that or not. it was completely different.From what i understand is your point was: nobody should or deserves to be called names. b/c its means and it hurts. the whole sticks & stones bit. OK THEN, So I never isnsulted her in the first place. AND I Agreed with you .so whats the conflict?
@ ASHLEY: since it seems have the spare time . googlenews this:
-Raven comments on eating habits and pressuress of hollywood.( its about not good eating habits. but she doesn’t care.she does what she wants. good for her, who cares what ppl think right?)
-tell me what you find and use oither trigering kewords in your search.it would be real interesting to hear:D
TO EVERYONE ELSE:
I pretty sure you know waht the word “hypothetical” means right?
Ok. so know deciefer the word”theory”. theory doesn’t mean the event proposed is happening,but could have happened . OR it would make commonsense if it did happen.regardless of whether or not the imagined event occured.
SO IT WAS A THEORY. NOT CONFIRMED THAT SHE COULD,unintentionly of course. my theory resembles the structure of a conspiracy theory.Continually, I never said she was a bad role model,nor a good one. B/c I don’t have to audastity to label someone a name like “role model” regardles of god or bads intentions ,I also refsue to put socitetal pressures on someone by giving them a label.
Your defending her fame? what does it mater its my personal opinion right? that shouldn’t even be an issue. My point was she isn’t as famous as she use to be.regardles of weight(not everything IS towards her weight you know) Especialy after that so raven. One movie? Oh my, big deal. what were the box office numbers on this movie? Age does not makea person gurantee accessibilty to the A-list. currently there is less media coverage on Raven and I was merely being observant of this. than we are making it out to be hear. Raven in fact, would be joyous of the attention she is getting here.
I never said Raven claimed being overweight is healthy.
I don’t see what that point is trying to prove, other than saying raven reconizes she is overweight without ever denying its unhealthy.If this is not your point, you need to be more clear.
Yes I can determine how out of shape she is(OR A PRETTY CLOSE ESTIMATE) based on video and other pictures, where she is wearing plethora of other clothing garmets that highlights her body in unavoidable ways. I don’t just base my judgements from what I see on this site you know.
Like I referenced before Raven had a history (meaning gentically she wasn’t always that big for the durantion of her life)of being slimmer not skinner. the girl constantly jokes about how she hates exercise! I mean watch her recent music video and listen the lyrics.
my litttle comment on accomplishments was to if it was relative the topic or not. which above, I stated why it is not.
oh and I’ m not twisitng words. you guys are. next time quote me on these”twisting words”. You guys seems to be responding agressivly towards me instead of the ppl who were defying your wishes in the first place. Below my comments,there are several ppl who called raven names, where you clearly win your battle. However, you seem to be either okay with it or ignoring them. Like I said, I never insulted her ever, so there realy should n’t be any problem.My intent is not to make any of you look bad and sry If I have done so.
LASTLY, I really don’t want to write anymore (man you guys can right forever) or atleast this long. I find the big misinreptation and confusion.s coming from ppl not thorowly and extensivily reading my comments. If you don’t understand a term (like physoanalysis)just ask and if you don’t, that is being ignorant. which i’m sure none of you intend to be.
So small responsess please. And I wil no longer clearify anthing. b/c you should have read it first. i find my self repeating myself or telling you exactly what I NEVER said or implyed. So if you are going point out something, quote me.(cut andpaste, its simple)so read it with detail, it is carefully,worded to prevent any confusion.
____FREEDOM
Okay, I wasn’t gonna go there Freedom, but on behalf of myself here’s what I found kinda offensive frome your comments (maybe other people as well…)
“So why is that when is overweight suddenly its “unmoral” to critize thir weigth or bodtype. its the point of the site. freedom of speech & opinion(no pun intended:P)”
To me, that means you were defending those who were putting her down and calling her names. You said Freedom and Speach. You may not have said it, you might as well for justifying what certain people are saying.
“P.S one’s accomplishments or not, it does not excuse one health. especailly on a site designed to be concerned and examine one’s health.”
This is where to me you were twisting other’s words around. PEOPLE WERE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT RAVEN’S HEALTH AT FIRST READ THE EARLIER COMMENTS PRETTY PLEASE???? It certainly didn’t sound as though they were concerned about her health, more as though she was a FATASS!
Now, those were the only things I would say I can take offense to. Nobody is idolizing Raven Symone becuase she’s overweight. She’s well loved becuase of her sweet, warm personallity. You want to go on and on and on about how we are “so” defensive, and I personally feel that you are taking this just as personall as we are. You gave your opionion, the the girls gave theirs. So be it. Let’s just leave it alone!!!!
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SORRY IF THIS APPEARS TWICE. I WASN’T SURE IF THIS WAS POSTED OR NOT.
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Freedom,
You can write as many pages as you please. I gave my strong opinion just as much as you have. I felt the need to lose weight becuase I wanted to. Unlike Raven Symone, I wasn’t comfortable in my own skin. But the point I was trying to make was losing weight isn’t as easy as it seems. No one is labeling Raven Symone, but at the same time, she is a postive person and should get credit for that.
No one is saying you were the one calling her out of her name. But at the same time it seemed as though you were standing up for those who were.
I still feel you don’t understand what Raven Symone is going through but I do. That’s why I take it personally. I strongly believe Freedom that unless you experiance being overweight, you shouldn’t come onto her as strongly as you did in your first comment. If someone is underweight, I wouldn’t go strongly on the person becuase I don’t know what that person been through. I’m not justifying it, but unless I’ve been in that person’s shoes, I have no right saying, ew, she should gain some weight. Sticks and stones should break my bones, but keep in mind hun words hurt as well.
I’m not trying to come off as harsh Freedom, but at the same time, I don’t like it when people (not you) rant on and on about Raven Symone’s weight. So that’s where I say “unless you’ve experience being a plus size, you have no right to make fun of her and disgustingly call her names”.
To Freedom:
Okay, she says she does what she wants. Did she encourage other people to eat unhealthy as well? I still didn’t find it. She was referring to herself not other people. If she made those statements, it was probably becuase she was defending herself against others for maybe teasing her? So you know what? You’re right! Good for her. Confidence is always good. Maybe she will lose weight, just give her time. As far as her fame!!!! She’s proably just taking a break like other celebrites do. Just becuase she’s not in the face of the media, it doesn’t mean her career is over. Raven is a very talented young woman, I know she’ll pull through and make an amazing combat. Anyways, weren’t we talking about her figure not her career???
Oh, I forgot to mention Freedom another reason why I started to lose weight is I was recently diagnosed (sp?) with Diabetes so I had to cut out a lot of sugery fatty foods.
Oh, Freedom, one more thing. I hope you don’t take my comment as me attacking you or insulting you in any matter. My last two comments were not in any way to offend or insult you. Please don’t take it that way.
***OK already. you ppl obviously don’t read,you skim. which is understandable b/c the last post was long. don’t worry none of you are affending me,but none of you are listening either.***
MY PREVIOUS REPONSE :”Your defending her fame? what does it mater its my personal opinion right? that shouldn’t even be an issue.”
ASHLEY :”Anyways, weren’t we talking about her figure not her career???”
Exactly!i just said it shouldn’t even be an issue.which now we are both making it out to be by mentioning it. it was all part of the theory confusion. I’ll send you a link for the article you didn’t find.
MY PREVIOUS RESPONSE”my litttle comment on accomplishments was to if it was relative the topic or not.” which above, I stated why it is not.
LAURA:”* P.S one’s accomplishments or not, it does not excuse one health. especailly on a site designed to be concerned and examine one’s health.*
This is where to me you were twisting other’s words around. PEOPLE WERE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT RAVEN’S HEALTH AT FIRST READ THE EARLIER COMMENTS PRETTY PLEASE???? ”
I just merely diverting ppl to real topic. Its irregardelss whether she is talented ot not. so I was mainly imlpying it was no need to be said.such as yourself.
MY PREVIOUS RESPONSE:
“I really don’t want to write anymore (man you guys can right forever) or atleast this long. I find the big misinreptation and confusion.s coming from ppl not thorowly and extensivily reading my comments. i find my self repeating myself or telling you exactly what I NEVER said or implyed.”
LAURA: “You want to go on and on and on …”
SAVANAH:” You can write as many pages as you please”
Hello? I said I dont WANT to write anymore(frankly I’m not mostly copying and pasteing).
**thats what i dislike about online messaging no one really knows tone, to see if they are offended or not. see? just leads to unnessary extra sentences.HOWEVER you can get an estimate how affended they by their choice of words.
(Savannah, addressing me as sweetie,honey, or any other kinderly nicknames.it IS offensive,rude and very confronting, WHEN adressing someone you don’t know. I feel NOW you didn’t know this, but thats how it came off at the time. otherwise there is no other reason to add those pronouns. it doesn’t reassure,it demeans.)
YOU GUYS SHOULD READ CAREFULLY.
Okay Freedom, Where I’m from, that’s how we usually address people. I was being sincere. If you find that offensive someway, then oh well. Sorry to hear that.
You asked me certain questions, and I answered it. You wanted to know why I started losing weight, I told you. You’re message was kinda long and yes, I admit, I have other things to do rather than sit online having conflict.
Speaking of conflict, how do you expect to resolve it when you keep using sarcasim? All I did was give my point of view as you did as well. In your first comment, you came on strong, so I gave my point of view. Keep in mind you came off offensive as well. Othewise, why would like 3 or 5 people respond to you like the way they did???
If you’re done I’m done. Online messaging can be fun as long as you watch what you say. (didn’t you basically said that?) You words can look one way to you but look different to another. I don’t find “nicknames” hun, sweety offensive. Some people may use it to be funny, but I wasn’t with you. I was just addressing you properly and trying to make peace. But if you don’t want to that’s on you.
If you quit being sarcastic then maybe we can resolve this. Like I said I was giving my opinion and like I said, I’m done.
This website is about giving our opinions. It’s kinda like a debate. But with body types. That’s what makes this website fun. Freedom, keep in mind you were just as offensive as we were. If you were “done talking about this” then why do you keep writing these long messages and copying and pasting???
I don’t understand why you were offended by Savanah’s comment. She was being nice for the most part and it certanly was sincere to me. Even if she didn’t know you she was being kind. By what you said, you’re only bringing more conflict.
As far as the career thing, you bought it up first. So I made the comment I did. So that explains that. I’m (and I’m seriously) done with this. I gave my opinion so I’m finished.
Okay, okay ladies, can we resolve this in peace please???
I think what happened was Freedom made a comment and stated her opionin, then others are defending the comments they made prior to hers (Freedom) then things got out of hand.
I think some of you laides are coming off a little too defensive. On the other hand, I feel Freedom is coming off a little harsh and that’s why everone started defending themselves. It looks like Freedom is explaing what she meant by her statement, but I think by then, it’s too late. The girls are now upset and saying things before reading what she has to say.
I will say though Freedom, you were a little harsh to Savanah, I read her comment, and it seems as though she was being kind to you. She’s just calling you hun, so I’m unsure how that seems rude to you. Even if she doesn’t know you, maybe she’s trying to resolve the issue so that there’s no hard feelings??? I just think it was a misunderstanding. I do agree with you about the tough thing with online chatting. You’re not sure of the tone or the explination unless you see them face to face. Maybe if she would have said that to you in words, then you may not have been as offended.
Anyways, I think Raven looks good. If she’s confident, then that’s always great. One thing men love is confidence. It doesn’t matter if you’re big or small. As long as you know you look good, it’s always a plus for men. Now the only thing I like aobut the outfit is the skirt. Maybe if the top part of the skirt isn’t so hugging to her waist, then it would look a lot better. But I love the shoes an the pearls around the ankel.
I love skinny women, and I love curvy women. But if there is anything I can’t stand is skinny chicks always putting down big women. Every lady is beautiful in her own way. Raven is extremely sexy and I’m sure some of yall would be offended if some girl walk up to you and say your bony, flat and you should gain some weight. There is nothing wrong with her. I personally don’t think she need to lose weight. But that’s just me.
Id rather someone tell me i need to gain weight than tell me i need to lose weight
okay not skinny chicks put big women down but they do the same thing as well and it’s accepted. but when a skinny chick say something bad about them everybody gang on us. i’m not saying it’s right to make fun of someone but two wrongs don’t make a right.
I still feel it’s noticed though when a skinny girl makes fun of big girls. Unfortnatly the skinny girl’s voice is louder. And maybe he’s not talking about all skinny girls, but like someone said earlier, if the shoe fits wear it!
I hear people call Rihanna and Beyonce fat! So that tells me a lot about society and the media. This doesn’t justify anyone making fun of another person’s figure, but like Trevon said, women of all shapes and sizes are lovely.
Totally… ew.
Yeah, I agree with Freedom, but I also believe you can’t be FAT and also be HEALTHY. Raven is gonna be Raven. If she doesn’t have a problem with her weight…why should anybody else? Raven maybe over her average weight but she isn’t as big as some other celebrities.
OMG
I’m gald you agree BUT
I never said that, at all.
And that depends on what one considers fat. PLus fat is a harsh word when used amongst sensitive ppl .
So your kinda making people think i said something, without them reading my comment first. its creating alot of confusion….
The Outfit: 1…2…3… shirts? I don’t get it. That skirt is scary. I think I nice blouse, a pencil skirt and a pair of Spanx would look amazing on her. Especially with those shoes … love them! The faux pearls look a bit tacky, especially around the ankles. I’d go with a broach with interesting color or a really large statement ring (Betsey Johnson perhaps?).
The Body: Raven is a big girl. It’s a fact. She is comfortable with her weight, and at the end of the day, if she is happy with herself that is what matters. Unfortunately she is clueless about dressing for her figure, or her stylist secretly hates her. Who knows? She has nice calves, but fat knees. And she has large breasts. I think she needs to go for more V necks to create a slimmer effect on her upper body. She seems like the type of person who will be bigger no matter what. Her bone structure looks large. I personally think she would look great if she gained about 8lbs of muscle and dropped about 15lbs of fat. She wouldn’t be super skinny, but she would be tone and tight.
I think it’s strange how some of you women (not all) make fun of her and call her disgusting names. Then, when some of the people stepped up to defend her, then you guys want to turn around and make it seem as though it was for health reasons. On top of that, you want to make it seem as those who are defending her are the bad guys!!! LOL some of you are too much. If any of you would have made your comment like Lorena, which was simple, straight to the point, and not offensive at all, then there wouldn’t have been any hard feelings. But no, you had to get on with calling her fat, a cow, and talking about how she’s not famous anymore.
I don’t think Raven Symone is encourgaing people to be overweight and unhealthy. Just becuase she’s a little bigger than average, what makes her a bad role model? I don’t see her in the media partying and drinking like some of the other young celebrities! If she’s comfortable in her own skin, then so be it. Leave her alone and let her live her life.
It is SIMPLE: RAVEN IS IN DENIAL!
@ ashley: I wouldn’t ahve to paste. if you guys read it:p
@ savanah: 0_O honestly wasn’t being sarcastic. I was just pointing out how it could be taken. just like you pointed how I could be taken as well.
I thought you ment no harm by it. ppl responed the way they did after they read your msiinterpretations in your reply and most likely didn’t read my comment.b/c all the coments after my first were basically telling ppl what I didn’t say.
It was resolved…..or atleast I thought it was.(can it be, please?) oh well at least sarah understands….
LOL Of course I understand
In my opinion this website is like a debate. And I think Debates are healthy becuase ist’s a feeling of expressing yourself. I’m sure this was just a misunderstanding.
ALL OF YOU——–> STEP AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER AND GET A LIFE!
you are commenting right?. so you should step away from the computer and get a life!
And to Michelle,
Mind your own damn business and state your opinion instead of worrying about what we’re saying!!!
I agree. This has nothing to do with you. So what’s the big deal?!?
Well that wasn’t very nice. I think it’s good to state your own opinion. This website is about speaking your mind. It’s not so much that they don’t have a life, they have something to say and they have every right to state their opinion. That’s why this site is so great.
i love how when someone is very skinny it is ok to be rude about their appearance and to tell them to go and eat a hamburger. However when someone is overweight and clearly not healthy it is not PC to address the issue.
I disagree. I think it’s bigger people who gets put down more often. When you see a skinny person, she usually gets praised for it. But someone like Halle Berry, Rihanna, or Beyonce gets the “fat” label then everyone laughs. Now that people speak out about it, certain people want to get offended. Now how twisted is that???
I agree with Elizabeth. Society potrays thin is beautiful and that is it. Even to the point of calling curvy girls fat. And we wonder why a lot of women have body image issues?
she used to be a healthy normal looking girl now she just looks like a cow
i think she looks nice but she could do with losing a few pounds but she looks so much better then all these mental celbrites wanting to be a size 6 she looks nice and is proberly happy….x.x.x.
soo i think-WOW(lool)
I am in shock…that is one of the ugliest actress/singer i have ever seen. she’s fat, she has a creepy smile, bad shaped eyebrows. Look at her ankle, its so small that it looks as though it can crack anytime from supporting those massive fats on her body. this girl NEEDS and HAVE TO lose some pounds of fats before she got a heart-attack on a young age.