‘Plus-Size’ Models Walk for Elena Miro
March 17, 2011 in Hot Models by Versus
Here are a few pictures from Elena Miro’s Fall 2011 Curve d’Italia line from Milan Fashion Week, presented by the brand’s ‘plus-size’ models – Elena Miro produces clothes that fit women of size 44 EU and up (10-12 US and up).
What do you think of the models and the fashion they’re wearing?
Many more on the next page!
very beautifl <3
very beautiful. and i understand why you did the ”” on the plussize versus.
these woman are adult mature women, this is a normal size for their age. and they have flat tummies hmm..
but in milan this is a very big size.
i like these type of clothes on the not so petite woman. great designs
Same here! they’re actually styled to FLATTER them, looks great.
“Plus-size” is an absolute term, not a comparative term.
Additionally, just because a large number of people in the Western world are overweight, just because it’s “normal,” doesn’t mean it’s okay or without consequences.
Totally agree.
Beautiful but plus size?? come on. The average woman on the street is much bigger than these models.I think the fashion world is still a bit scared to bring REAL plus sized women on the cat walks . Shame.
I think in Europe there is less obesity (for now). In my country, Spain, these women are considered “plus-size”, and in Italy, where is the catwalk, too. In China they would be “plus plus size. “
Sorry Pinky come to the UK and you’ll find that’s not the case!!!
except the uk ofcourse
I don’t know, I live in England and these women are bigger than most I see…
you are correct, i’m from italy and these models are DEFINITELY few sizes bigger than the average woman, especially younger women are quite thin here
Same in Romania. The young women are basically thin and may blow up after 30 or 40.
I like the dress in pic 3, and WOW, thats some curves in pic 6! XD
I don’t think plus size is supposed to be fat women. They are simply plus size for models, ie the average woman in the real world.
People always make comments about plus size not being plus size really, but they are plus size in model world – where the term comes from and is being used.
Agree with Pinky though. In europe average isn’t larger than these women. Maybe actually smaller i think.
That’s totally right, but the real thing would be to change the body-image in the modeling world. Why do clothes only look good on mostly emasciated women….? And why is that standard so low….? If a “normal” model became a bit heavier, it would still look like a beautiful and healthy women. And the plus-models would then be “real” plus size models.
to be fair, its quite an investment these runway shows.
everything has to look the best way possible. as it is with all other advertising, runway=advertising
to me its like, you show clothes starting at the smallest size(the models) and then people should look at their shape and decide what is flattering for them.
there are few people in the world who look like runway models. so why should anyone feel bad that they dont look like them?!
stop whining so much. no one is mad at you for not being size 0. sigh
Then the average women needs to drop some major pounds if that’s the case…
With the exception to Cushing’s disease and Polycystic Ovary Syndrome there should be no excuse in the book to be over weight. We all have to try to maintain a healthy body mass, in whatever way or means we can, being overweight is for the unmotivated…
I have PCOS and i have no problem maintaing my weight 5 9″ ,148lbs, 38-24-35.. PCOS makes you susceptible to weight gain but its still no excuse, it just means you should work harder to maintain a decent diet and exercise more. Just because its easier for some people to lose weight doesn’t mean people should stop trying if its more of a challenge.
You’re right, but **most** PCOS women have a difficult time maintaining a healthy weight and a lot of them are very easily susceptible to becoming obese if they don’t monitor themselves. Not their faults of course… Endocrine disorders are such a drag.
How are you defining “overweight”? If these women are model height, 5’8″ and up, and a size 10, then they are hardly overweight. They may not be skinny, or even very thin, but they’re not overweight.
lol Uhhh no! They are over weight even for their height, though only slightly. I bet every model on that runway has a BMI greater than 27… which is in the overweight zone. Would these designers stop it with this over promotion of plus size models!! Christ!!
I’m model tall, and I have a BMI of 25, and I don’t think I look as great as these women. 27? Nah. My best friend is 6’0″ tall and a size 12, and she’s positively stunning. Not an ounce of fat on her.
I often wonder about the world the posters on this site live in. I guess I’m delusional in my American Midwestern life, to think that these women look healthy, and beautiful. I guess my standards are just lower than those of the perfect people in Europe. :/
Retardation. These models ARE considered plus sized because they are over the model standard of a size 6. Size 6 and up in the modeling world is considered plus sized. Just because they are “Plus” does NOT mean they are overweight or have a BMI over 27. I’m currently pursuing modeling in the plus world and have learned a lot about the industry thus far. A size 10 for a model 6′ is NOT overweight. It’s actually a little below average. A size 12 is the average for most models. They may not seem to be the size they are due to their height. Most people fail to realize this important detail. Do your research before speaking….smh.
You are absolutely right. I have hypothyroidism (it’s not severe but I’m also not on meds), both my parents are overweight (quite a lot) and I rarely have time to exercise… yet I manage to stay slim trough a reasonable diet. I don’t think weight is such a huge factor when determining health, but it would be ignorant to say it’s impossible to lose a few pounds.
Plus-size or not, gorgeous models, very nice clothes! They actually look nice on them!
I’m going to get eaten alive for saying this I think…
I have nothing against commercial plus size models. I think it’s great to show a variety of different body types. We all come in different shapes and sizes (I love Levi’s curve id ads– both standard and plus size). I think models on the runway are very slim… occasionally, perhaps, too slim. But I try to refrain from judging. It is my HOPE that unhealthy models, girls who take restrictive eating and exercising to the extreme, are able to get help, and it is my belief that sick women and girls should not walk the runway. It’s a bad example and it’s promoting an unhealthy and potentially devastating lifestyle.
That said… I think that models on the runway should be standard size. I understand that this is for a particular line of clothes and that’s fine, but notice how their figures distract from the clothes. I just think this is a good example of why plus size models should not walk the runway of high fashion shows (again, I realize that this is a different situation and a plus-line, but I’m just using it as an example). Models should not detract or distract from what they are modeling. Models need to be slim. Reintroducing sizes 6 and 8 ( measurements about 36-37/28-29/36-37) would be nice as it would show a little more variety, but anything larger (10 and up) should just stay. off. the. runway.
Okay. That’s all I gotta say.
I agree usually, but i actually my first thought here was that it was nice how their size wasn’t distracting from the clothes (except for maybe a few pics) – i thought: hey, what’s the problem with having plus size women on the runway, it looks fine, see?
Aesthetically (and if i could chose a body for my self) i prefer thinner women – not runway, most are underweight, but like VS models… but they should show bigger women like these too, cos WE exist
And a good designer can make clothes look good on all sizes (it’s too easy only using thin models that don’t distract from the clothes, as u say)….
I wish people would stop saying VS models are examples of healthy, normal-sized bodies. If it weren’t for all the feathers and glitter and make-up, most people would still think they are too skinny.
i agree, BUT different body types require different clothes. and many things that look good on VS or overall thiner models is mostly unwearable by larger and curvier women (or it is but look unflattering). clothes represented here actually are designed for 10-14 size women, with more ‘meat’ and curves and it suits their bodies. so i don’t see the problem with ‘larger’ girls wearing them. if it were the ‘skinny’ clothes, like usually is the case, then it would look ridiculous and silly, like it usually does.
I agree nam.
As I see it, the runway shows we are all used to are designed for very thin women – not average women – which is why the very wide ranging ‘plus-sized’ thing is kind of silly. If anything, most runway models are ‘minus-sized’ – but we don’t use that term because we have accepted them as the norm. I’m not saying that being that thin is abnormal – just that it is not average – the women above look more average to me (except for height – which it seems will always be a lot more than average) – and some of the other plus sized models (Tara Lynn, etc) are truly ‘plus-sized’ as they are bigger than average and a bit overweight.
When I see the normal, ultra-thin runway models I can’t really look at the clothes in any kind of realistically desirous way, because I can’t tell what they would look like on my more curvaceous figure. I can appreciate the clothes as just ‘art’ when they are on the straight-sized models (as long as they don’t look scarily skinny, because then I can’t concentrate on the clothes!) – but nothing more because their figures are so far removed from mine (and most women’s, I think).
So, while I can understand the purely aesthetic appeal of normal, very thin runway models – I, myself, don’t feel at all inspired by them or the clothes they wear as it’s just impossible for me to imagine wearing those clothes. I guess most average women can’t afford runway clothes anyway – but sometimes it seems to me that this is one of the main reasons why so many celebs are so skinny. They can afford the runway clothes and want to wear them (are basically required to wear them, if they want positive fashion praise) – but have to maintain unnaturally thin (in most cases) bodies in order to. I don’t think that’s healthy. I think it would be better for everyone if we had a mix of models on the runway from very thin, to more average, to truly plus-sized – that way all can look fabulous in beautiful clothes and people no longer need to feel that in order to look like a celebrated runway model you have to be extremely thin.
I agree and disagree with this. I guess for me it’s different because when I watch a runway show, I don’t picture myself in the clothes. Like you said, it’s simply art. I would never wear the stuff those designers show in real life, so I guess that’s why I don’t see why high fashion models need to be that relatable. Commercial models, yes, because a lot of people of different sizes plan on buying that stuff. But high fashion models aren’t really that well known and not many people look up to them as role models.
“notice how their figures distract from the clothes” – maybe it’s distracting because it’s something unusual
They look great! Finally looks like they put ‘normal’ sized women on the runways, not very skinny and not plus-size.. Although shockingly this is called being a plus-size model. I would love to see more of women you can relate to, different shapes and sizes, not only skinny and plus-size, but also the ‘normal’ or ‘medium’ sized women, kind of like these.
What exactly is “normal?” There’s no such thing as “normal.” We’re all different. This could be considered variety, I suppose, but not “normal.”
Does the third model look like Natalie Portman to anyone else?
Haha… I see what you mean
Their overall silouhette is quite attractive. They all look in proportion. I really like the clothing line and it accentuates all the best bits oif the models bodies. I have exactly the same shape as the first and sixth models but on a smaller and shorter scale. Lol. This makes me want to buy similar clothing and to play up my best assets. I have really enjoyed this post.
Beautiful! Glad to see some average sized models! I am about their size so it’s refreshing to see models in these beautiful outfits that even I could possibly wear! Wish more designers would use real looking women more often. They are a great example of what a healthy woman should look like.
I like the fact that they actually made a line to flatter a different type of body
Finally beautiful girls with bodies closer to the average sized women. with curves!! =) It’s really nice to see women with curvier figures on the run way!
They are beautiful and the clothes sit very well on their fuller figures. Not fat, I wouldn’t call them that at all. However the makeup is awful!
Hideous fur coat…
they look beautiful! finally some realistic looking women on the runway!
Wow for once I am seeing “plus size” models on the catwalk and the designer has actually dressed them in figure-flattering clothes! Thats a shock, seriously, it seems that usually when “plus size” models are on the catwalk they are dressed in extremely unflattering clothes and it seems like they are being made a spectacle of, like a joke or something almost like they are TRYING to make them look bad….does anyone get what I mean?
It’s nice to see these beautiful women in figure flattering clothes.
The one exception is the last model who is unfortunately dressed in a shapeless grey sack with what looks like a dead animal draped around her shoulders, but I will ignore that and say overall they have been dressed nicely.
I completely agree snoops – as usual! I have also noticed that when they have plus size runway models they usually dress them in the most unflattering clothes as if they are trying to say “they don’t belong there – we were forced to use them”!
These clothes are nice and flattering – except for the last one, as you pointed out.
As far as I’m concerned the only exception from the clothes being hideous is the woman in the pin-striped suit. I guess they do flatter their figures shape wise but I really don’t like the design of the clothes in general.
there bodies are very beautiful, whatever you call them, doesn’t much matter to me. but does anybody find that the makeup which was done makes them all look fairly older??
i don’t know about old or not, but it’s not flattering on any of them and reminds me of the 20s – not in a good way
i was down about my curvy hips yesterday, and after seeing this i feel so much better! you can tll they’ve got that curved shape because of structure, even if they lost weight, they would still be there!
They all look great! And the clothes fit them very well. One outfit I really hate though is the shiny suite with the flowers.
.. These women are models because?
They were probably used to keep the growing population of fat women happy.
People really seem to still not realize being big does not equal curvy. Rolls of fat is not a curve. You can be slim and still be curvy. ITS A SHAPE NOT A SIZE.
Yes they are wearing flattering clothes.. I doubt their bodies have that definition without the cinched waists etc.
Im not a fan of plus sized models.. at all.
Nor am I am fan of super skinny models either
Do I prefer skinny models over chubby models. Definitely.
This is really not the average shape of women where I am.. Maybe the over ‘i have let myself go’ club..
But not the average women.
Even though I agree that slim women can be curvy too I feel that you cannot deny that these models ARE curvy.
And so what, cinched waists help define their curves but skinny models are often made to look longer and skinnier than they are as well. Works both ways IMO.
And I’m curious where you live. Because when I go outside, that’s what many women look like here in central Europe.
Slender models look good in bikinis without restricting clothing. I would really not want to see these women in bikinis.
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I don’t find these women attractive. my opinion.
This is just making ‘average’ women feel good about themselves. You should make ur own self worth, not depend on others opinions.
Well babycakes, I can assure you im not “average” and I love how these women look.
I am not plus size either, I’m actually just the opposite wearing a US size 4, and I can assure you I am envious of how these women look here. Not necesarily their bodies or shape, but of their presence, of how regal and just gorgeous they look. Although these clothes might be aimed at ‘plus sized’ women, they could sell them to me as well.
Thats right Aryn, I agree with you-they have presence and are very striking. Im also a US 4- and I too would buy some of these clothes. Someone on here has said that these clothes would look better on slimmer women, I disagree, you def need curves to wear these, like it or not, some clothes only look good on curvy bodies other wise they will just hang incorrectly. Like some clothes only look good on slimmer bodies-ie very skinny jeans!!
China. A girl can be skinny and be curvy. So technically by your opinion of what curvy women are these outfits would look better on larger chubbier women.
Maybe you love how these women look because you are more similar to these women. it makes u feel good because there are large women u can relate to on a runway?
When I referred to average btw i was not just commenting on their weight. Their faces are also pretty average, there is one good looking one in the lot. they look old and tired.
I have nothing against ‘large’ women, i think Nigella Lawson and Kelly Brooks have beautiful figures AND faces.
Babycakes, you dont have to tell me a girl can be slim and curvy as that is exactly what I am. I have what all my friends call a perfect hourlglass, slim curvy and toned-38 bust, 24 waist and 38 hips, with a 28G bra size, so no im not like these girls on the catwalk, but if I was i would love it-because I love myself however I look. Sorry your psychology didnt work for me. HOWEVER I will switch it right back at ya and say maybe your are being so derogatory to these women as you yourself have no curves and would kill to look like this and some of your words were removed by admin which means they wern’t very nice! Just saying….
You say curvy is a shape and not a size…yet you then imply that it’s only a shape if it is on a slim woman. I believe slender women can be curvy as can fuller figured women. A slim “curveless” woman generally cannot gain weight and end up with a curvy body. As well as a curvy fuller figured woman generally will maintain her curvy shape if she loses weight. I do agree that there are too many women who use “curvy” and “overweight” interchangeably without regard to their actual shape, but I also think that since curvy is a shape, there are some larger women who are, in fact, curvy.
your stats dont really mean anything.. you could have a but ugly face and are unnatractive, etc etc etc etc
I WASNT concentrating on their bodies completely. Their faces are lacking.. oomph.
China: You are very defensive
Im perfectly aware that large women can be curvy. although I often find women who are so strong in ‘real women look like’ comments are often fat. Or upset at the world because they are fat.
To get back to the post my opinion :::
These women are unattractive to me. mainly because of their faces. There are bodies 1000000 x better and would take my body and face over theirs anyday. I prefer VS models all the way.
By the same token, much of the general population would find many high fashion models unattractive (both body and face). I don’t see you complaining about them. The very essence of high fashion at the moment is this gaunt look which is what they were going for here; I’m sure they look much better laid back on the weekend than in this Halloween makeup. Also you’re kidding yourself if you think these women are not curvy. I also prefer the bodies of VS models, being a 5’5 size two, my proportions are much more similar to theirs; however I could never deny that these women have beautiful bodies and its quite baffling why you’re so adamantly against them. Everyone needs someone to look up to, whether it by a size 0 or a size 14. BTW Nigella is quite over weight at the moment and what you would normally call a “fat woman”.
I’m also thinking plus size modeling isn’t nearly as popular as straight size; therefore designers would have a much more limited range of models to choose from and as a result can’t afford to be too picky with faces.
Oh horror of horror if anyone should feel good about themselves….
I get it, u are not a fan of models this size, but guess what, people this size exist whether you like it or not. I definitely prefer to look at VS models, they are often more beautiful to me, but my body is more similar to some of these women, and its actually nice to see them make clothes that flatter my size. I have big hips and boobs, and that’s hard to dress with skinnygirl-clothes.
You may not like them, but why be so angry that they exist on the catwalk? Just look at other posts, and skip over plus size. No reason for all the hate.
And no, i’m not a part of letting myself go club, thank u very much. I eat healthy (except for the weekends sometime), and work out a lot, 5 times in the past week for example. I know if ur obese ur probably doing something wrong. It may be genetics, but definitely also the way you live. But being slightly overweight is not always because u eat junk food all the time. I hardly ever do. So maybe you shouldn’t generalize this much about plus size. I must be wonderful to be naturally skinny, as so many girls on this site are, they are very lucky:) But i’m not, i have always had to fight for it (or ever since age 13), and maybe that’s the case with these women too…
And just to be clear: i don’t mind u not liking these women. Different opinions are totally okay. I just thought ur comments were harsh: rolls of fat (which i don’t get, i see ACTUAL curve here, i know it’s not always the case, but here it is), and that they have let themselves go, and they are only pleasing the fat women, and having a go at China.
They make the clothes look good. I really don’t think they are that big, more like somewhat overweight, not OMG obese. Whether you are for/against plus size models in general, people who wear larger sizes need clothes and it makes sense that the sample size is at least in the range for production.
@ babycakes, so what your saying is that anyone smaller then these girls could not possible find them attractive-in your experience on websites. And anyone who is is angry at the World because they are fat. Grow up love. Have you read all the comments? Because from where im sitting most of the girls here think they are pretty damb hot, and im sure most of the girls are smaller. Anyway, regardless of that, I think with you, you are so up yourself, you obviously think your all that and then some, and you come across as quite bitter and spiteful-yes I could for all you know have a face which is “but ugly” as you so elegantly put it, but sorry to tell you I don’t, I know how beautiful I am as my husband tells me every day, and that’s all that matters to me! And remember, these girls are the ones on the catwalk, these girls have been selected from millions of others-not you, so you really cant be all that now can you???
“Anyone who does” sorry!
I got confused about ur comment at first, but i guess it was for babycakes, not ophelie:)
Lol, that’s nice of your husband.
Firstly. These women were chosen because I simply dont have the height and do not want that height though!
Secondly. I am a beauty pageant winner many times and have done modelling myself. I don’t really care what you say.
You are the one who is all up herself.
Great for people who think they are hot!
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Im not rake thing with no boobs or but. Im hourglass and Im petite.
Im not the typical ‘runway’ model. and neither do I want to be!
exists on this planet because she won a few pageants full of made up bimbos. Or if she does believe such a mythical creature exists (shock horror), they must hate the bodies of all people over size 4 right?! Well I’m attractive too, people have told me so, only I’ve been focusing on uni for when those looks inevitably fade; maybe you should try grow as a person too. Btw china I’m sure you’re very attractive too : ) for what it’s worth
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You are so conceited it makes me laugh, I’ve literally never come across such a blatant self promoter who thinks that she is the only attractive person who …
Love this Blue-well said!! Yeah, I am pretty hot myself too, but unlike some I don’t feel the need to self promote as i’m comfortable with myself and don’t feel the need to let everyone know how I look- and also im clever enough to know that good looks will only take you so far in life! One day soon I will post a photo of myself on here so our friend “babycakes” can see my “but ugly” face as she so commonly put it , I can probably guarantee its a lot better than hers-beauty pagent winner or not. Don’t assume your the only beautful (and I use the term loosley for you) one on here babaycakes because you will be shocked!!
I never said I was the only beautiful one!
Lol.
I was commenting on THOSE MODELS IN THE POST.
what I was meaning when I said about China, was her stats mean nothing to me! I NEVER said she was ugly? People like to create drama.
Secondly. You do not know how much make up I wear. etc. I think you would actually be surprise by how little I actually wear. Normally mascara only for everyday. even for pageants I dont wear much.
Its funny how people assume because you are in pageants you are stupid, a bimbo. LOL.
I dont need to prove my intelligence to you.
You guys are the conceited ones.
I actually never said anyone was unnatractive I only said I dont find these models faces pretty? Which makes their body unnatractive? Just as If a skinny girl had an ugly face she to would be unnatractive TO ME. MY OPINION.
So what do you make of “Lol, that’s nice of your husband.” Get over yourself. Also, I thought I’d just go ahead and assume things about your life since that’s exactly what you do despite people telling you the contrary. Go along then and keep winning your little beauty pageants; I’m sure they’re very fulfilling.
(also sorry about the name confusion, I’m blue on my iPhone, must get around to changing that : /)
when I said ‘Lol thats nice of your husband’
That was not negative at all? I was actually saying thats nice of your husband!!! Not everyone has loving partners!
Stop taking things negatively.
The clothes look better on thin women, that is just a fact.
No, that’s a called an opinion.
lol. agreed
These models look great, loving the clothes. I personally think the girl in the 1st pic is the perfect size, curvy hips, small waist, flat tummy- very womanly and soooo feminine. To me that’s exactly how a woman’s body should look. Im pleased bigger-not fat- is coming into fashion, every magazine, newspaper I read today seems to be showing curvy women and more and more people seem to want to look more curvy. Curves for me everytime, not a fan of the straight up and down look at all.
Hideous clothes!
agree
Pretty models, but hose clothes looks like something Galliano would have made for Christian Dior some years ago.
the girl in pic 6 is so not above a 10… she is 6-8 i would say unless that suit is the most slimming piece of clothing out there. and in my opinion her silhouette is quite thin, she would be considered an attractive and slim woman anywhere. she would look good in a bikini. if i’m wrong i may never wear one in public again….
i was 35-40 lbs heavier when i lived in italy, looked kind of like the first model, and i was definitely considered bigger. there were others like me, but it’s true most young women in many european countries control themselves very much, which is a marvel to me considering how rich their foods can be, but there are so many factors which could be discussed to exhaustion…
I love how these models look, they look very beautiful. However, I’d hate to see them get mixed up in say.. a Balenciaga show with the straight sized models. Not that I’d think they’ll look bad or whatever, but a runway show needs to be uniform and every model must be synonymous, in my opinion.
I don’t agree with the whole, runway shows needs to look like a street deal. The reason is that if the models were too different in any way then it’d distract from the clothes, and destroy the whole point of the show, which is to showcase the collection.
Models are supposed to be mannequins, not the definiton of beauty, in my opinion, and I think people are taking it too personally when designers don’t use plus sized models. I think, that the clothes look better aestetically (sp?) and hang better on taller, slimmer girls.
(sizes 2-6 ish, give or take) Designers don’t spends hundreds of thousands of dollars on shows every season to please the average woman at home, they do it for the fashion editors and buyers from stores. They have to make the clothes look as good as possible. (Not that I’m saying plus sized women look worse in clothes)
Agree with everything you said, especially the part about Balenciaga. It would be too much of a “statement” for Balenciaga to do it – it’s best left to more commercial designers.
I don’t know because these pics are making me want to buy the clothes which is the whole point, isn’t it? I always hear that clothes won’t look as appealing on bigger bodies, but I would kill to get my hands on that pin striped suit and honestly I think it would look aweful on a figure like Allesandra Ambrosio or someone super slim like that.
So… some clothes are good for some bodies, others aren’t. I don’t understand why fashion wants us all to think there is only one style/beauty/ideal.
Honestly, high fashion designers are not marketing to the average consumer in runway shows. They don’t aim to sell the clothes, they aim to sell the idea. The clothes actually go through a lot of changes from runway to retail floor and are practically unrecognizable by the time they are sold at your local Saks or Barneys. Designers all have a storyboard, a theme, and they work with that, sometimes no matter how extreme their clothes have to be. If you look at clothes in the store and then on the runway, a lot of the times you won’t even recognize it’s by the same designer. I just read an article in the NY Times talking about the select people who buy runway clothes – there are only maybe a few of them made, unaltered, and these extremely wealthy women maybe buy a piece for $15,000. These clothes aren’t made to be sold, they are there to establish the image behind the brand.
You make a good point about uniformity in shows – I hadn’t really thought about that! My only problem is, if runway models are truly supposed to like mannequins – then why not just use some sort of conveyor belt system with mannequins?! To me, it doesn’t make sense to have models all the same size, shape, height, etc – just use mannequins if all that is required is that people look at the clothes.
Obviously most people wouldn’t like that as models bring a certain life and reality to the clothes – and I for one would like to see more diversity. Maybe different sizes shouldn’t be mixed on one runway, but they could bring them out in groups like they have here.
And why can’t Balenciaga make some clothes that flatter different shapes and sizes – is he just making clothes for models and not any other size women? If so – what’s the point? It seems incredibly decadent to me if it’s just this little bubble that excludes everyone else.
Some people argue that the fashion industry doesn’t have an impact on eating disorders, and body image, etc – that’s simply not the case, imo. A lot of women follow fashion, even if they can’t afford the clothes, and they take in the images of these ultra-thin women being glamourised in clothes and feel that they can’t look truly fashionable and gorgeous with anything but a thin body. And celebs are very obviously affected by it – most of the fashionista ones are also incredibly thin, even though they weren’t early on in their careers.
Of course plus-sized models are going to look odd and not so attractive next to thin ones – we are all so used to seeing the normal models that our perceptions have been skewed. I cringe when I see some of those models with the dresses hanging off their ribs and bony legs moving awkwardly underneath (most look okay, but some are painful to watch). But then I see plus-sized models and think – ‘she has big legs’ or ‘she needs a better bra’ – I’m so used to seeing very thin models, that more average women look big and jiggly! I think that is an unhealthy way to look at things, even if it may aesthetically be more pleasing to most people and show off the ‘hang’ of the clothes.
I get carried away with this stuff! It’s such an influential topic with so many interesting points of view!
I think for the good of everyone, we need more diversity in the fashion world. Sure, some people can look at it all objectively and feel no influence on their own bodies – but most women are impressionable and want to look their best – and what is put forward as ‘the best’ is not natural for many women.
Sorry, rant over
”It seems incredibly decadent to me if it’s just this little bubble that excludes everyone else.”, that’s exactly kind of what the fashion world is! If it wasn’t basically cut off from the general public, then it wouldn’t kind of be so special. The fashion world right now is kind of about elitism and creating a fantasy like world, where the average person cannot seem to enter or understand.
I definitely think different shapes and sizes should be represented in the fashion world, I just don’t think it’s quite a good idea to mix them in with something like a Balenciaga show. Diversity is definitely needed in fashion, and we needed LEGITIMATE plus size models, not just people like Crystal Renn, who’s only getting jobs for publicity stunts (in my opinion).
and Honestly, I don’t think some designers really have the average woman wanting their clothes as their number one priority. It’s more about the art of it, and it’s not like any average woman in america can afford or is interested in purchasing that $10000 Balmain jacket or those infamous McQueen shoes.
Could not agree more. You seem to be one of the few people on here who is as involved in high fashion as me!
Yeah, I get what you both mean. It’s an interesting world – but a very exclusive one!
maybe this isn’t nice to say, but i’m in recovery at the moment (on a site like this? yeah, i know…) and i pray every day that i will not end up like this. i would like to gain weight, but if my metabolism betrays me….
You really shouldn’t post on a site like this if you’re in recovery. Chances are you still have very disordered view of a woman’s body that other impressionable people could take seriously, but it’s good that you mentioned it though, most people wouldn’t : ) Sigh I remember when I thought every woman over a size 4 (and that was pushing it if they were short) was somehow morbidly obese, feels nice to appreciate their bodies (even though I could never carry that much weight, shorty : /)
I know, old habits die hard, though! I was okay for a few days but I started missing some of the people here. lol. I do try to be kind and levelheaded in my comments here; I would never be as hard on anyone else as I am on myself.
am i the only one who thinks these clothes are very unflattering for these womens’ figures??????? the only one i find acceptable is the pinstripe suit. all the others just emphasize the wrong body parts or are shapeless. it’s a shame that this clothing is supposed to be designed for plus size women!!!
I want the gray sweater dress in the second picture. That neckline is just lovely.
Of course, these ladies will always get hate just because they happen to have a certain number attached to them. If you have a different aesthetic, whatever, but people who blatantly hate on people over a size 6 are probably people who are either a. heavier and hate themselves and are taking it out on other people or b. very thin and assume that if they can look that way, anyone else who can’t is just fat/lazy/eats too much/unhealthy. I really wish these women were defended as much as the VS models are.
these women are clearly not as beautiful as the VS models. Especially in terms of their faces.
We’ll have to agree to disagree on that one. I don’t find most of the VS models beautiful. I love Lily and Adriana and Doutzen (she’s my favorite model of all time). But I don’t find Allessandra beautiful at all.
These ladies have rounder faces, sure, but so does Miranda Kerr. She has the roundest and fullest face I’ve ever seen on that little body. I’d love to see these ladies without crazy fashion show makeup.
They all look FAB and it makes me sick that our society considers this plus size.
This just proves that runway clothes don’t look good on only rail thin models. These are all gorgeous clothing on gorgeous models. I could do without the fur though :[
Ive been looking through this site quite a bit lately and I don’t know, but it seems to me that whenever there is a photo of gorgeous girl who has a lovely curvy body-and people remark on this and how they love curves etc, and are not too keen on the shapeless look-slimmer women get very defensive about this, like they are taking it personally or something!!?? I mean some people are calling the girlss above fat-I think the girl in the top pic is a fantastic size, they are just referred to as plus saize as they are bigger than the average size 0/2 model, which really is tiny- and some people on here call Kelly Brook fat!!?? Its just mad mad mad.
Do you guys think these women are actually size 10? And does that mean like 39″ hips? Some of you girls can tell someone’s size from a picture and I never can. Do these girls look like a size 10-12? Help!
Plus size?! Even for the model world they shoud think about different name for normal sized girl, which they all are. I like the clothes.
The models are pretty and the clothes fit quite well, you can see the difference between an actual line made to fit bigger sizes and using plus-size models as a gimmick on the average runway show; they often make it seem like there just aren’t any clothing that’d look good on anyone above, say a size 8. I don’t think the pants are too well structured, and overall the clothes aren’t my style, so that affects to how i think the models look though.
Even if these women are classed as plus-size and i’m pretty thin, it’s easier for me to relate to them than the tall skinny ones. How the clothes hit the curves, and basically show their figure more bc they’re not drowning in them, it makes it easier for me to realize what kinds of attributes the piece of clothing has and on what kind of a bodytype it might look good. Idk. I like skinny models too and a high fashion show is like art to me many times, but buying of the clothes in mind, i think diversity is all the better.
I agree with ur last part in particular. When i look at fashion shows, it’s because it’s a piece of art: it’s exciting and looks good. But i never have buying the clothes in mind. Maybe a show with diversity in model sizes would make me wanna buy cos i would be able to see what could fit me.
The model in the sixth picture has a beautiful figure I dont see overweight at all, such nice body. There are different types of bodies and being size 10 or 12 doesnt mean for example that you are already overweight. in my case im tall and usually size 10, 12 if i let my self go for a while and right now 8 because i workout a lot, and you can see already some of my hip bones, and have a flat stomach and i do have waist,butt and hips, my WHR is 0.7 but is just my body frame, and I learned to live with that. besides my husband loves it. By the way im mexican but my husband is german, we live in Germany and i must say that a lot of women in here are around sizes from 6 to 14, but not fat!
Oh and by the way I do agree that being curvy doesnt mean being fat but being fat doesnt mean being curvy!! Women overall should always look to be healthy and take care of their weight because its a matter of HEALTH not only looks. Not everyone is made to be a size 4 or less but no one should let themselves go to the other extreme of the line, no body frame is made to be size 20 or so, thats just fat, and in most of the cases cause by the lack of healthy habits.
That must have been one hell of a fitting session…
Alrite…I usually do not post…but I had to on this one…..COME on these women are labeled as plus size?????? serioulsy they are so beautiful and curvy….I dont think they LOOK FAT any where…then Y plus Size?
I just wanted to comment on European vs American/UK definitions of “thin”. It’s true that the vast majority of young women in Europe keep themselves very thin – I’m an American working in Paris and have seen maybe….5 OVERWEIGHT women since September. Have seen one or two obese women in the suburbs… anyway, for anyone wondering how these women keep their figures amidst the best pastries and baguettes money can buy, the answer is: processed diet food and cigarettes. They drink Diet Coke, smoke religiously, and adhere to thousands of dietary superstitions (“no coffee and milk after 12, only espresso” “fruit is a dessert and will make you fat” “only children eat dinner before 8 OR snack”) as well as buying 0% versions of everything, diet bars and drinking mysterious slimming concoctions from the pharmacy. It’s not just the young women either…I work with a family and when I pick up the kids from their elementary school, the 30 and 40 year-old moms look exactly the same. The mom of the family I work with has been on a constant diet since I arrived. She is very petite, with perhaps 10-15 pounds of pregnancy weight to lose. She also hassles me about dieting (I’m 5’6, 130 pounds, athletic and a runner) constantly and says I should be at least 110 if not 100 pounds, Thank god I got over most of my body issues in middle school and can mostly regard the criticism as humorous…
Anyway, it’s just the mindset here. Everyone feels they have the right to tell you what your body should be and what you’re allowed to eat. Can’t even count the number of times I’ve been lectured in the checkout line about my full fat (GASP) greek yogurts or occasional Orangina (the most delicious soda in the world, imho). On the other hand, amounts of adult and child obesity are negligible compared to the US/UK and everyone here does get exercise by walking (even if they do think my running and Jillian Michaels video-ing will make me “look like a man”).
same in Milan
I agree, to some degree, i mean i lived in Paris for some time, and though i never met anyone completely obsessed w/ weight or anyone using (medical) diet products, the attitude you described was there. Mind you i saw my fair share of overweight people too (not obese). And several people were always commenting my weight, how i’d lost weight, or tsk tsk, you look a bit pudgy, have you gained.. I learned to not mind, but i never got the point of it all.
Ah, yeah…I work in the uber-rich 16th, so I think I see the extreme side…
Honey that’s Anorexia! I certainly wouldn’t want to emulate these French women as a pillar of health. Their diet and way of living sounds disgusting!.. Cigarettes religiously.. instead of a hearty meal… Just eww!! Not to mention they’re the most vain and shallow breed of women on the planet.
I really think it’s kind of racist to stereotype people that way. You don’t know all French people, so you can’t make such sweeping generalizations.
i agree, but that’s not racism.
lol… No sweet heart that’s definitely not racism. My comment was an **exaggerated generalization** more than anything else. If I were to make a comment about your Asian heritage along the lines of ”Wasn’t that you I saw rolling egg rolls at the Chinese restaurant!” then that would be racist…
Yeah, everyone is really touchy about racism (understandably so). But that’s not racism. French isn’t a race; it’s a nationality. But about what you were saying: I believe that, definitely. But I wonder if life is like that in the “uppercrust of society” anywhere. I live in the south (of America) and I was “born into a family of means.” At every function I was ever dragged to as a kid and teen, I always had to deal with commentary on my weight. Most teens fluctuate while trying to find their ideal weight (I went from a slightly chubby, but not overweight 13 year old to an underweight 16 year old. I’m 18 now and on the lower end of healthy… I’m really happy with my body these days.) and the commentary could be really hurtful. At thirteen, I would have adults pinch my stomach and laugh, and say my parents needed to put me on a diet. At sixteen, people would look take one look at me and say I was far too thin, “a puff of wind would blow me away,” etc. These women who made commentary were always wealthy, thin, and on some sort of wack diet. Like one woman saved all her calories for booze. She literally ate nothing so that she could drink her high-cal drinks! And they always had nifty (read: ridiculous) bits of advice to share too. So I think that might just be a societal thing. Most people would never dream of commenting on someone’s weight to their face, but it was pretty much socially acceptable in the atmosphere in which I grew up.
Geez, sorry, I don’t know what to classify it as, but it’s still pretty offensive.
@Emma,
I guess living in a third-world country may have its advantages! I’m 5’8” and 125lbs and by European/American standards I would be considered “normally thin”, probably – but as I have fairly wide hips and chubby thighs (at least for my weight), the chances are that I might even be considered a bit chubby. But here in Brazil I am considered very, very thin – my father says I should gain like 10 or 15 lbs. at least!
wow they look realy good.i actuli realy like this clothing line.i have never seen it before.and im 18 and i would wear these looks they are very pretty.i could see the girls from gossip girls,like leighten meester wearing these looks.and the models look very healthy glamorous natural real women.very beautiful
this is what i assume some actresses and models looked like in the 5os 40s.im not sure but thats what i assume.like marilyn monroe
argh i wish i never saw this .im already a complete shopaholic.now i have to go out and get all these clothes.
another thing iz im a waist size 24.i dont no dress size in the us.becuase im from the uk.iv never bin bigger.im 18 and i measure 39 24 36.and i am not plus size or fat then.nor have i ever been.and still i find these women very beautiful.especialy the blonde one in the first picture.her body and face is perfect and appropriate for her age and height.she looks hot to me.so i wouldnt say that anybody smaller than these models wouldnt find then attractive.i dont usualty comment.but i found them so beautiful that i had to
just proves that women do not need to be really thin for clothes to look good on them. we are more than the “hangers” models are supposed to be. beautiful clothes, everyone looks great.
I have a question that has been bugging me for a while,actually more than one:
Why is this website called Skinny vs Curvy?Why not Slim vs Curvy?Why not Slim vs FAT?Do you know how many girls out there are depressive because of ignorant people who call them anorexic,emanciated and other terms that are being used on this website daily.Why isn’t “curvy” obese or downright fat?Why is a skinny girl called “stick thin”,but a fat person can’t be called “pig fat”?
Why do we feel the need to emphasize negative words when it comes to slim people,to throw insults,to bash and trash them just because what?But when it comes to fat people,we feel the need to protect them,use words as “overweight”,”curvy”,”voluptuous”?
This website is called Skinny VS Curvy because when I did my research before buying a domain name, I realized that these 2 particular words were extremely popular in Google Searches. I just created / named my website based on what YOU guys would like to see. They are not opposites, though – ‘Versus’ is meant to represent the idea of debates, comparisons, not opposites, as we all know that both skinny women and overweight women can be curvy.
Hey, all those accusations go both ways. Fuller figured women are constantly being told be the media that they just aren’t what’s “in” right now. There’s insults and protection all around.
I’ve thought that Skinny vs Curvy should be different as well, though. I mean, skinny girls can be curvy as well, and heavier girls can be flat!!
Gisele, I can understand your comment to some extent – but most of the time I see if the other way round!
There have been plenty of words created to flatter thinner women (lean, slim, slender, willowy, waifish (used to be a totally negative term, but no longer to most people), etc, etc) – just as many as there are to flatter bigger ones. It’s perfectly normal for people not to want to be called ‘pig fat’ and I don’t think ‘overweight’ is a protective term! As for ‘stick thin’ – I personally wouldn’t use that as I think it is a little too much, but I’ve read comments that say ‘her thighs look as wide as tree trunks’ – which is kind of the same thing in reverse!
Does every woman want to look like Christina Hendricks – I think most of the women on here would say no (judging by the comments on her). Does every woman want to look like Gisele Bundchen? Judging by the post we had on her a while ago, many on this site would say yes (but she garnered quite a few negative comments as well). So, I really don’t think you have to worry about there being a bias against skinny women. But it kind of depends on who you class as ‘skinny’ and who is ‘curvy’. If we’re talking Chloe Memisevic vs Beth Ditto – then it’s a different ball game! Of course there are fat people – but not all ‘curvy’ women are plain fat and not all ‘skinny’ women look emaciated!
You would have to ask versus why she called this site Skinny vs Curvy – but I don’t think there is anything offensive in that name. If you ask me, ‘skinny’ is a word that has morphed from being wholly negative to being a more positive or neutral term for thinner women. That hasn’t and won’t happen to the word ‘fat’! If it was slim vs fat then one would definitely be negative as no one uses ‘fat’ in a postive way!
Btw, I think versus does a great job of trying to make sure that no one gets away with truly offensive language. But no one can control how each person who reads the comments interprets them and how it makes them feel. I will comment if I think a women looks too skinny or is too thin for my aesthetic tastes – but it is just my opinion and I don’t mean it in an offensive, generalised way. I believe most people on here do the same thing, whether they express critical opinions of big or thin women.
I really think you are being too sensitive about it – and the way you have worded your comment sounds kind of offensive to bigger women too – so you’re not helping yourself there!
What’s wrong with skinny?? To me that is a positive word… the only thing wrong with the name imo, is that skinny and curvy aren’t opposites, u can be both at the same time. So curvy isn’t obese and downright fat as u say, cos it ISN’T. Look at Candice Swanepoel.
To me skinny and curvy are both positive words, it would be horrible if the site was called AnorexicvsFat, or skinnyvsfat like u suggest (but that is because to me skinny is positive, fat not so much). And that’s totally not what this site is about…
I think versus is good at showing healthy (or what we suppose is healthy, healthy weight doesn’t equal health) girls from both sides of the scale – from VS models who are sometimes underweight according to BMI, but still look good at the low weight, not like they have EDs, and to plus size models who may have BMIs of 27 e.g., but are still not obese.
And kudos to Versus for giving us a variety of bodyshapes and sizes within a (as far as we can tell) healthy range, that shows us that diversity is great and that beauty can be found in all shapes and sizes. I know some comments are horrible (and that goes BOTH ways, it’s definitely not just skinny bashing as u make it out to be), but that’s not really Versus’s fault. I know u moderate the h*ll out of the comments sometimes
Very pretty women with beautiful figures. I love seeing curves in all sizes!! <3
I think these models represent the average or a little above. I'm from the Jersey Shore, and I go to school in the Philadelphia area. There are, obviously, a small number of people over this size, but I'd say most people look like this. I think the real ideal is right in between "normal" models and plus sized models.
I think the 2nd girls shape is nice and shes pretty :]. I dont usually like plus sized models but i mean i wouldnt say these girls are “plus sized” they are just not as small as the thin models they have. If these girls werent 5’10 and over you wouldnt think anythin of their weight, they would probly be like a size 7 at 5’4 and thats not fat.
I really don’t get this “plus-size” classification. I see well formed mature women. They are very “normal” to me. One of them looks very sexy on that 2 pieces costume, black with white stripes. She is hot!
Sexy!
I don’t think any of these woman are overweight. A size 10-14 on a 6 foot tall woman is verrrrry different on a 5’4″ one. I’m short and I’m on the upper end of a healthy BMI and am very soft looking (40-29-40) when I wear a size 8 or 10, but I have a friend who is 5’11″ and very slender and fit who wears the same size but looks completely different. I think taller woman sometimes just have bigger frames it makes sense.
The 6th pic down, WOW! Look at how tiny her waist is (and in a good way). Now that’s a curvy body. I would >LOVE< to have that figure. Gorgeous. And, I bet in person she looks even more stunning.
I agree, “Normal Sized” versus “Plus Sized” … I think the outfits are okay, but the model(s) are gorgeous!
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